Exclusive: The Chabad Chief Rabbi And The Prostitute?

A recording is purportedly made of Rabbi Berel Lazar, Chabad's 'chief rabbi' of Russia, having phone sex with a prostitute. Is it really him? Lazar tells me it isn't. But there's more to the story.

Someone, I don't know who, posted an audio recording on a Russian website, claiming the man on the recording is Rabbi Berel Lazar, Chabad's 'Chief Rabbi' of Russia.

A link to the recording was sent to me Wednesday. I couldn't tell with complete certainty if the voice was Lazar's – although it did seem to be him.

Later Wednesday, I asked Lazar by email and then by phone about the recording.

He told me that the recording had been around for months, that he had listened to it, and that it is not him.

"It's not my voice and it has nothing to do with me," Lazar said.

He also told me that there are people in Russia who specialize in impersonating people for purposes like this.

Also on Wednesday, I asked Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky, the head of Chabad worldwide, for comment on the purported Lazar sex tape. He did not respond.

Lazar told me Wednesday that an unspecified "they" were doing things to "us" in Russia, and he offered to show me evidence of this in person.

I told him I couldn't fly to Russia.

Lazar responded that he is in the US, and that if I couldn't come to New York, he would try to come to me. We agreed that Lazar would let me know by Friday morning when this meeting would take place.

But he didn't.

I heard nothing from Lazar Thursday, Friday or Saturday after Shabbat.

So I went back to the Russian website to listen to the tape again – but the file was missing.

And that might be the end of the story, except for a couple key facts:

1. I made a screenshot of the Russian webpage when I first saw it Wednesday.

2. I made an audio recording of that file, just in case Chabad got it removed from the Russian webpage.

So, without further ado, here is my recording of the Russian audio tape purporting to be Berel Lazar and a prostitute having phone sex. The recording is 5 minutes long. Please click the gray bar to listen:

Alleged Lazar phone sex

Here is a screenshot made at 11:41 am CDT on Wednesday, July 11, 2012, of the video posted on a Russian website:

And here is a screenshot of the same webpage made at 3:14 am CDT this morning. The Russian text reads "Clip not available.":

Update 3:12 pm CDT – To be clear, here is a timeline of what happened:

Wednesday

1. I was emailed a link to the alleged Lazar sex tape Wednesday morning by an anonymous person.

2. Just before 1:00 pm CDT I emailed Lazar and Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky asking if this was in fact Lazar's voice, and asking for comment.

3. Lazar quickly responded that ihe voice was not his. He asked for my phone number. I gave it to him.

4. Lazar called me a few minutes later.

5. During that call he again denied that the voice is his. He also spoke about "they" doing bad things to "us" in Russia, and offered to explain that to me and show me evidence of it if we could meet in person.

6. I told him that I couldn't fly to Russia.

7. He said he was in the US and would meet with me in New York or in another location that would work for me.

8. I suggested that we meet in Minnesota because he has relatives here and could visit them before or after meeting me.

9. He told me he would see if he could arrange that and promised to get back to me.

10. I responded that we needed to set a deadline we both could agree on for him to make whatever arrangements he needed to make and to get back to me.

11. Lazar was fine with that and suggested Friday morning Minnesota time as the deadline – meaning that from noon CDT onward I could post on the alleged sex tape without breaking our agreement.

12. I agreed, but asked him if he was really sure that a deadline set at Friday morning Minnesota time would work for him.

13. Lazar said Friday morning Minnesota time was what he wanted.

14. I agreed, and promised that I would not post before noon my time on Friday.

15. Rabbi Krinsky did not respond to my questions.

Friday noon

16. Lazar did not keep the agreement. He did not call me or email me to set a meeting, to say that he had changed his mind, or even to ask for more time. He made no attempt to contact me at all.

Sunday

17. At about 3:00 am CDT this morning, I went back to the Russian website to listen to the alleged Lazar sex tape again. It was no longer posted.

18. I began writing my post.

19. I waited a total of more than 40 extra hours, from noon on Frday until 4:18 am CDT today, before finally posting on the alleged Lazar sex tape – 87 hours from the time Lazar first responded to me, about 89 hours after getting the original email with the link to the sex tape.

Comments

[ruthie]

well....the guy is lonely.
some men find russian women very attractive.
oh! wait! he's a rabbi!
well...the guy is lonely...etc.
i think they're all full of it!!!

[me]

I actually think it sounds like shmarya

[disgusted reader]

unless you can be 100% sure that it is him, you have no right to post this. It is pure loshon hora. Just because someone says it is him doesn't mean that it is. You are disgusting for posting this. It is really ugly. Even if you can say 100% that it is him, you shouldn't post it, but that can be open for discussion. To post this is plain and simply disgusting. It just proves again that all you care about is to destroy peoples reputation, especially if it's a chabadnik. You will have a lot to answer for one day and I pity you. I am all for exposing people that can harm others, but what's the point of this? Especially when it's hearsay. This is absolutely ridiculous and so low, I just can't believe it. Your website should be closed down. Maybe it's about time someone sues you. I won't be going on your site anymore. No-one should. If we do then we are party to your disgusting vilification of people. Have some shame and stop posting things that are not a fact or necessarily true.

[Aussie]

He had to listen to it to know it's not him?????????????......

This tells me all I need to know!!!!!!!!!!

[sick to my stomach]

The worst case scenario is that Rabbi Lazar, a human being had 5 minutes of weakness. His job isn't to be a tzaddik. It's to be an effective leader of yiddishkeit. That you would post such a tape, even assuming it's really him makes you a very big low life. And to retort that you can cheat on spouse in 5 minutes is BS, because he didn't do that (yes, even assuming tape is real).

[Mike]

Can't trust the Russians. Makes more sense that he is being set up than the random chance that a prostitute would record her customers and then be able to identify who is on the other side

How does one pay for the phone sex there? They should simply check the method of payment to determine who the customer was.

[Steven]

Shmarya time to listen to the people and remove this one.

[Шестикрылый Семихер]

This particular story is unlikely to have legs. As much as I hate the scum and would like to help bring him down, this is almost nothing. There are only 2 meaningful phrases in the conversation (besides "Yes" and "Good" repeated a few times): "I am laying in bed" and "Tell me what your have done the last time". All the colorful talking is done by the whore. I am not interested in a halachic discussion on this site, so it'll suffice to say that if his spouse will stand by his side and claim that they were just fantasizing together, he will be judged clear of any violation of halachah. And it is unlikely that anyone will invest money into proving that the clip is authenticю I would also imagine it's possible to trick a person into saying the stuff on the tape without any sexual connotations.

[monsey_yid]

good for you Smarya. You caught him. He is a Rabbi. He is Lubavitch. What else can you ask for. Now all you need is the judge to give him the same 27 years the SMR got.
Or do you think that he will be protected like the others.

[Moshe in Israel]

I don't understand a word of it, but boy do I love that Russian accent :)

[Len]

This is a case of "you killed my mother", prove that you did not. Where is the evidence? what is the source? where is the expert voice analysis? etc.

[Len]

lol "I actually think it sounds like shmarya"

[??]

dont see why this needs to be publicized i'm sure plenty of rabbis do things that arent exactly what they should be doing as rabbis but they are human after all, hes a grown man who just happens to have a job that entails him having a higher level of morality even in his private life, so he failed here...so what...he didnt hurt anyone and it doesnt take away from any of the good work he has done for the jews of russia. he made a mistake dont see why the whole world has to know about it. who does this help by posting it? Obv its ur blog u can post wtvr u want but i dont see how publicizing this helps anyone

[outsider]

Sounds like Leibel Tropper speaking Russian.

[Moishe]

This is a terrible piece of journalism driven by hatred to Lubavitch.

Simply put. Bad job. No merits.

[ruvi]

I went to school with him totally not him...

The litvisher did it to him lol

truth is not him and waste of time and post

[ruthie]

Posted by: ?? | July 15, 2012 at 08:40 AM

no, you are way off.
if you're going to be a rabbi, be holy.
if you're going to be a nun..same.
nothing more, nothing less.

[Menachem]

You, Shmarya, are absolutely shameless!

It is easy with today's technology to forge a recording.

And you with venom and vicious hate will stoop to infinitely low levels in your hatred!

You are a sick, sick, sick, sick man.

YOU should be sued and thrown in jail, you grandson of a criminal who committed suicide.

[jancsibacsi]

Menachem-youre infinitly sicker then shamrya from youre words it shows you cant take the truth it really really got to you,go get help you puny brain fool.

[Steven]

Fm - bringing out the best of people and the real you.

[Charlie Runkel]

Shmarya how desperate are you to hurt people

[jancsibacsi]

Charlie Rankel-How desperate are you to be stupid

[Lubavitchers are Christians]

Lubavitchers are Christians.

[Bernard Stein]

Shmarya can't fly to Russia- Ha- what kind of Journalist are you?? WOuld you even show your face in NY?
Also be careful, Reb Lazer can sue your ass off big time if it indeed is not him. I would remove this post if I were you. Very stupid move by you..Someone told me your sheer hatred and eagerness to defame frum Jews will ultimately be your downfall...I think this may be it. Whoa!

[PrettyBoyFloyd]

I'm surprised at how surprised people are at how low this skunk will go to fuel his hatred of jews. The question is what's going to happen to this website when Shmarya's found dead in his undies, whacked by some vigilante Hasids?

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: Menachem | July 15, 2012 at 09:05 AM
People aren't jailed if they lose a libel suit. Although I'm sure SMR would enjoy the company.

[Lubavitchers are Christians]

Who else thinks that Bernard Stein is Archie Bunker?

Well, if Solomon Dweck hasn't been whacked by the Deal sfardics, I don't think Shmarya will be whacked by the Lubavitchers (who are Christians, by the way.)

Although I would warn Shmarya that if he even contemplates taking money in return for not posting negative news...... I would refer him to the behadrei haredim scandal.

[Lo K'darkah]

If you know Rabbi Lazar and/or believe him to be a tzadikk or at least a good man, you should be thanking Shmarya for publicizing this attempted denegration of a his character. Rather than circulate as malicious gossip, it can be referred to and publically denied (as Lazar has done). It also may shed light on who has done this - so it is of genuine public interest and concern; they should be brought to account or explain - Shmarya will pursue these possibilities better than you if they arise (of course, those insinuating it was Shmarya who made the tape have not a clue what this blog site is about). Why is everybody getting so defensive on this? If I was caught with a prostitute, Shmarya would be the first phone call I'd make...

[Bernard Stein]

I know someone contacting Reb Lazar now and if he is truly angry, I wont be surprised if Chabad will help Lazar fund a lawsuit against this hateful blogger.
I dont know about jail, but this blogger can get severely fined for false journalism and defamation without a shred of evidence. I truly hope it happens...All this hate is so archaic and disgusting. Do people like this,other than Shmarya, really exist?

[Devorah]

Great research back-up to save all the evidence on this cover-up.

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

++Aussie | July 15, 2012 at 07:39 AM++

LOL! Reminds me of Congressman Anthony Weiner's explanations about his text messages.

The frumma response to everything, when they are caught with their pants down, is to threaten to sue.

[hilton]

to disgusted reader. chabad are disgusting

[chaim]

As somebody that speaks Russian, this is BS. Not a chance, this isn't Lazer! Seriously if you understand the Russian Structure against western society and Jews in particular this makes senses.

[??]

i dont see what the big deal is at least hes not raping little boys he called a sex line how is that so bad does it make him a bad rabbi sure why not does it make him a bad person not at all

[chabad rabbis in russian spend their donations on prostitutes]

another chabad who frequently 'visits' prostitutes ? the last one i knew was noah kamenetsky .

there must be tons of chabad rabbis who use
prostitutes for sexual pleasure .

not surprising . chabad of russia have
millions . they are richer than the state .

they use their huge donations for their own pleasure . they don't care . they did not work for their money and it comes dropping massively , like pouring rain .

there is a problem , though .

they are supposed to use those donations to help ppl in need . not for sexual pleasure .

so, ppl be aware ! when you give money to chabad , it goes to prostitutes and other epicurian pleasures .

[D]

D.R. 7:10..you're completely right.

[ah-pee-chorus]

do you think he may have given her the sealed envelope from the gaydamak-leviev deal by accident? maybe he was seducing her to get it back....yeah...thats it.

[chabad rabbis in russian spend their donations on prostitutes]

to 'me' ,

'..i actually think it sounds like shmarya'

why don't you go to 770 and get youself a
nice chabad boy to molest or rape .

they are plenty out there . 770 the headquarters of free as much as you want
sex predators community where you can do anything you want, cuz you know you will not get prosecuted by the D.A hynes .

[Charlie Runkel]

jancsibacsi-
Shmarya is basing his opinion on such loose evidence, such as the voice is very similar, Lazar did not return his phone calls.
The question is why does Lazar have to answer to Shmarya in the first place, and is this a case of honest reporting?
I also dislike Lazar but I don't find a story and twist it around, and make my own conclusions, based on extremely flimsy evidence.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya is basing his opinion on such loose evidence, such as the voice is very similar, Lazar did not return his phone calls.

We've discussed your illiteracy before, Charlie.

If you don't know how to read and comprehend, you shouldn't be posting comments.

I QUOTE Lazar. Lazar EMAILED me and then CALLED me.

It was Lazar who asked to meet with me, Lazar who agreed that Friday morning was sufficient time for him to arrange that meeting, and Lazar who then did not follow through.

Now apologize for your mistake or toddle off in perpetuity.

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

Amazing how the frumma trolls who crawled out of the woodwork to comment here think it's ok for a Chabad rabbi to call a sex line.

That's the new standard of today's Torah Jew.

[Mark]

I listened to this piece. I know Rabbi Lazar for 20 years+. He has a very distinct lisp and a very different accent when he speaks Russian. I can tell you 100% - this is not him.
Everyone that knows Rabbi Lazar can discern immediately if it's him.

[kosher]

100% is NOT Rabbi Lazar in the recording
waiste of time

[Jonathan]

Scary part is that the kamikaze commenters here who are very sick haters without an inch of objectivity are hailing Shmarya on.
He is always right in their eyes, amazing isn't it?
So what "facts" do we have here?
A fellow talking in a language most of us don't understand , with very different intonations than English,and we, who don't know Lazar, are somehow supposed to agree with this flimsy "evidence"?
Oh, and it's not like we are talking about an influential person and a corrupt country that may have many people that want to take him down.
I don't know Lazar, I don't generally like Lubavitch, but this is one of the lowest blows I"ve ever seen.
jancsibacsi ,WoolSilkCotton,etc:In another life you were probably the lowest type of kappos, there is nothing that you have seen about Orthodox Jews you won't "believe"

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

Jonathan, just tell me, it is ok for a rabbi to call a sex line? Yes or no?

[jancsibacsi]

Jonathan-It takes one sick hater to know another sick hater you goilem.

[Fleishike Kishke]

I don't know Lazar (and have never heard him speak) so I have no idea if it is HIM, but I will say it is most certainly (near 100%) a recording of a non-native Russian speaking Lubavitcher. I say this because of the "Yiglish" inflected timbre, intonation and hesitancy that is particular to Lubavitchers. Rebbe, we've got a problem.

[dh]

Oh puhlease, he'll never sue Shmarya. Not because there is not a scintilla of the elements of defamation, but because the first thing that will happen is a voice analysis. Nah, they don't want the publicity.

Nice vet.

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

"...I did not have phone sex with that Lewinsky woman..."

[Punihs child molesters]

It's NOT Berel Lazar.. PUUULEZZZE!!!!

[Charlie Runkel]

Shmarya it could just be that Lazar does not have the time to deal with nut heads such as yourself. Personally if you called me investigating if I called a prostitute for phone sex, I'd laugh, tell you to F off, and hang up.
Regarding my illiteracy, I quote "Later Wednesday, I asked Lazar by email and then by phone about the recording." Suggesting you initiated the whole thing.
And now if it turns out it is not true, you should have the balls to publicly apologize.
One more thing, how bored are you looking for this crap? Get a life man.

[ultra haredi lite]

Let us assume that Berel Lazar did indeed engage in this very bad behavior, is it the right thing for Shmarya to publicize it?

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Charlie Runkel | July 15, 2012 at 02:07 PM

Please.

I asked Lazar by email. He responded and asked for my phone number, I gave it to him. He called me. We spoke. He said the things I quoted in the story. He told me he wanted to meet in person to give me proof that "they" were out to get "us" in Russia. I agreed, and I promised to hold off posting until we set a time and date to meet. The deadline we agreed on was Friday morning my time. I gave him all that time and then I gave him more than 40 extra hours when he didn't call me back Friday.

As for being too busy to deal with me, etc., people make their choices.

If they want to attack the messenger rather than deal with the message – like you almost always do – then that's what they do.

If they want to say I'm not the NY Times so they don't have to answer my questions, fine.

But I am under no obligation to ignore that behavior.

In fact, the opposite is true.

Lazar is a thug who for years has helped terrorize Jews who oppose Chabad or oppose Putin. He is dishonest. He is hated almost across the board outside Chabad (and even in it). He helped crush the pro-democracy movement in Russia.

He is not some poor defenseless little man being picked on by a bully.

As for you, the very fact that even your reading of what I wrote shows that Lazar did indeed communicate with me and make a promise to me that he failed to keep proves that you are a disingenuous piece of garbage.

Now toddle off, little man.

Your game-playing here has now ended.

[dh]

He never intended to meet with Shmarya, Charles m'boy. He was just buying time.

[dh]

Also, Chuckles, I want you on my jury!

[lazar]

lol
rabbi Lazar meeting you?
c'mon,give us a break
he could have sent all his proofs by email,chat,no need to met you
unless he wanted you to give u a good punch

[grandpa]

Shmarya, Vats happening to you. You going down hill vast. before you post nice video
of chabad Rabbi having sex with very nice prostitute. Now all you can come up with is silly talk show. Next you be posting pictures of smiling Rabbi with Kremlin in back ground. Oiy vay

[Dovid]

To APC

I am disappointed that you did not have the ethical discipline to keep away from this unwarranted mud slinging against Lazar, whom you don't even know.

I have always admired your seemingly clear logic and wisdom.

[Shtam A Guy!]

I too am very surprised at you shamrya - what a low stoop - obviously you got little left in your bag.

To go after lazar like this I mean is so lame it pales totally.

Like another said it probably is NOT him but even if it was - lets just take a step further...I mean he is human too right? Or did you want someone to say he's a messiah or ?

There is more than enough reasons and self respect on your part to have just ignored this. I'm glad lazar did NOT respond to you and neither did Krinsky. It would have seemed equally lame and pathethic.

Shame on you on this one you fucked up big time, with your pants all wet now.

[Charlie Runkel]

Shmarya I don't either like Lazar, I agree with you about lots of the political things he does, however I don't stoop to a low level of lying just to hurt someone. We don't know that a conversation or emails were ever exchanged between yourself and Lazar.
It appears I am not the only reader shocked at the levels of which you are willing to lower yourself just to hurt someone. Shocking.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya I don't either like Lazar, I agree with you about lots of the political things he does, however I don't stoop to a low level of lying just to hurt someone. We don't know that a conversation or emails were ever exchanged between yourself and Lazar.
It appears I am not the only reader shocked at the levels of which you are willing to lower yourself just to hurt someone. Shocking.

Posted by: Charlie Runkel | July 15, 2012 at 05:39 PM

Please.

The fact that you "don't know" that Lazar emailed and called me – two things I can easily prove and which, you might note, Lazar and Chabad have not denied – does not equal me lying. In fact, it doesn't even come close.

However, your wholly unsupported accusations and lies about me are egregious.

That you are too ignorant, too dull and too uninterested in the truth to notice that simply proves what a disgusting person you are.

[Shmarya]

I too am very surprised at you shamrya - what a low stoop - obviously you got little left in your bag.

To go after lazar like this I mean is so lame it pales totally.

Like another said it probably is NOT him but even if it was - lets just take a step further...I mean he is human too right? Or did you want someone to say he's a messiah or ?

There is more than enough reasons and self respect on your part to have just ignored this. I'm glad lazar did NOT respond to you and neither did Krinsky. It would have seemed equally lame and pathethic.

Shame on you on this one you fucked up big time, with your pants all wet now.

Posted by: Shtam A Guy! | July 15, 2012 at 05:15 PM

Yup. Typical Chabad logic.

This isn't just some guy or even some rabbi. This is the CHIEF RABBI of a country, a man who smeared and who helped push out of power the actual chief rabbi, who helped destroy the pro-democracy movement in Russia, and who is a notorious thug, appears to have used a prostitute for phone sex.

And I should overlook that because, well, boys will be boys.

Please.

[dh]

So I started wondering where Lazar really was when he said he was in NY. Wouldn't you think it would be news somewhere? But I couldn't find a thing.

The last place he is documented to be was Israel July 1. The rest of his delegation returned to Russia but he stayed in Israel for a family simcha. Then he purports to be in NY by at least July 11, but likely before. Bit of a squeeze, eh? Maybe someone else can check. Maybe I missed something or it was in Hebrew.

[my opinion]

He told me he wanted to meet in person to give me proof that "they" were out to get "us" in Russia.

At this point, I just say if you ever consider meeting anyone to discuss such an issue, have bodyguards and someone watching your car. Maybe it's a good thing you didn't meet him. Everyone knows there are Russian mafia thugs who poison their enemies, cut off little kids fingers, etc. We dont know who Lazar got involved with in Russia, but one thing is certain, when he came to town, he pushed others out.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Shmarya, the real story being obscured by the trolls is that Lazar agreed to meet with you and provide evidence of some type of phone-sex impersonation conspiracy. ("That is NOT what I sound like when I have phone sex!")
If you get the meeting, you'd have plenty to cover, in addition to preferred styles of heavy breathing:
- Chabad domination of Russia - with the consent of Russia's Orthodox population or because of Putin connections?
- the "lost" agreement over Angolan diamond mines. Which pants pocket does he think he may have left it in?
- providing at least refuge and aid in Chabad-Russia to international child kidnappers (your other story next to this one). There's a CrownHeightsInfo story posted today that admits the kidnapping but provides various twisted (Chabad) spins on Chabad's involvement.

[jancsibacsi]

Shtam A Guy-Youre a stam putz.

[Tzemach]

I am sure it is a set up. take it off

[wikipedia.org]

Ancestry

Rosenberg's maternal grandfather was Leon Gleckman.[11][12] Known as the "Al Capone of St. Paul", he was a bootlegger who at one point was considered the unofficial "czar" of St. Paul.[13] Mr. Gleckman's maternal grandfather, in turn, was Rabbi Chaim Yehuda Litvin, a rabbinc prodigy who although himself having been a follower of Chabad had at an early age departed from the movement (due to inability to get along with fellow Chabad members). Litvin went on to become the leading non-Hasidic rabbinic decisor in the town of Smorgon and as early as the year 1900 expressed his unabiding support for for the nascent Zionist movement.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmarya_Rosenberg

[SkepticalYid]

Yes, we are all well aware tht Chabadniks incessantly redact Shmarya's wiki entry in order to cast aspersions as well as censoring any positive references, you don't fool anyone.

[Jake]

What ever actions a persons grandparent did or did not do is irrelevant to the ethics and integrity of a grandchild or any relative.

Folks who post on this blog need to grow up. Folks on both sides of issues need to stop acting out their emotional angst on this blog.

[Yosef]

"What ever actions a persons grandparent did or did not do is irrelevant to the ethics and integrity of a grandchild or any relative."

Jake, you're most obviously 100% correct. Just answer this Q, please: isn't it curious that you've always ignored the chief of all immaturity, who never fails to do this? Doesn't it speak volumes that you only raise the issue when it attempts to paint your holy hero negatively? Don't you understand that the poster was trying to point out - to the very villain who always tries this shameless attack - the fallacy of such slurs, by pointing out the irony that following through on this line of thinking yields? ...and then you have the gall to call the kettle black for calling attention to this? Don't you get it?!

[A yid.]

What COULD have happened: Lazar gets a call from Shmaraya, saying he's a journalist. Lazar responds etc. after asking around (or just google) he realizes that Shmarya is not only on a search for the truth, but as a rule, for bismirching Chabad and religouis Jews. He therefore has no further contact. I know it's heard for some to handle, but some peole don't know this blog exists.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Posted by: A yid. | July 16, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Yeah, sure, except if you read this blog regularly you would know this was not the first time Lazar received a call from Shmarya asking for comments. Lazar knows fully well who Shmarya is, or he should.

[Ro Shashana]

Between this post and the one that encouraged us to watch the other Russian Chabad Rabbi (http://warnet.ws/news/51285), this is really gettin' frisky!

I vote for the former though, as being far friskier than the latter.

And A yid. might be right. Either that, or Lazar contacted an Atty, who squelched him.

[disgusted reader]

To Hilton, Is that all you can say is Chabad is disgusting. What does that have anything to do with what I posted? Why don't you look in the mirror and see who's disgusting. You might get a rude awakening. Good luck, when you see who is the real disgusting human being here.

[Mendel]

What happened is as follows: Lazar wanted to meet Shmarya, and then Yehudah Kriniski called up Lazar telling him that chabad policy is to ignore Shmarya so he did just that.

[Dovid a]

So if a woman wears red or uncovers her hair it's a grave, unforgivable offense and she deserves shunning, beating and threats against her life but if a rabbi visits or calls a prostitute he's human and it's no big deal? What a sick bunch of people.

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

The Torah has lots of stories about prostitutes, and the profession is deemed praiseworthy in many instances in the Torah.

So what's the big deal about a rabbi, or any frummer, using a prostitute? The frum community celebrates prostitution.

[No Light]

There's more stinking frum socks in here than in a mikveh changing room.

The dignified response would be, of course, to ignore Shmarya. Instead they shuffle in, bang out a subliterate screed about how he'll be made to pay, or about his family's past, and then they shuffle back out again.

The exception, as per usual, is Chunkie Wankel, who's so convinced of his own superiority that he bleats out the same shite on a loop. Change the track Chunkie, no-one's listening.

[Alexander]

another chabad who frequently 'visits' prostitutes ? the last one i knew was noah kamenetsky .

there must be tons of chabad rabbis who use
prostitutes for sexual pleasure .

not surprising . chabad of russia have
millions . they are richer than the state .

they use their huge donations for their own pleasure . they don't care . they did not work for their money and it comes dropping massively , like pouring rain .

there is a problem , though .

they are supposed to use those donations to help ppl in need . not for sexual pleasure .

so, ppl be aware ! when you give money to chabad , it goes to prostitutes and other epicurian pleasures .

Posted by: chabad rabbis in russian spend their donations on prostitutes | July 15, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Most prostitutes are amongst people in need, the shliach is funneling the money the right way, the problem is the kick back.

Who remembers this post?

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/03/video-the-chabad-rabbi-and-the-prostitute-567.html

[Alter Kocker]

I am sitting here, not in anger, not in amusement and can only express one thought. I am in a state of fucking wonderment! I can read through an awful lot of these posts and can imagine the frum posters trying to take potshots at Shmarya.

This is their mentality? This is the level of their facility with the English language? This is their level of mental process?

Sad really

[Jeff]

Don't you get it?!

Posted by: Yosef | July 16, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Yosef, you're the one who doesn't get it. You people are so thoroughly obsessed with yichus that you assume everyone else is as well.

No one here, including Shmarya, lambastes a black hat because of something his grandfather did. That's a tactic employed in your world.

[Jonathan]

If I was a betting man I"d bet that "jeff", with his "holier than though" wagging finger is a fellow not to be trusted with young kids.
It's just an unhealthy feeling I get from this f**cker.

[Jeff]

HA! Priceless.

Yes, you don't know where my "wagging finger" has been, do you?

[Shmarya]

if I was a betting man I"d bet that "jeff", with his "holier than though" wagging finger is a fellow not to be trusted with young kids.
It's just an unhealthy feeling I get from this f**cker.

Posted by: Jonathan | July 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Jeez, that's odd. That's the exact same feeling I get about you.

[Jeff]

Shmarya, I'd tell you to do a story on me - but I'm afraid everyone would fall asleep!

[Fed up]

I'm done with this site.. ALWAYS FULL OF BULLSHIT!!!!!

[Moshe Nelkov]

Rabbi Berel Lazar is an outstanding individual. A totally dedicated, honest and upstanding Rabbi who is a key figure in Russian Judaism and its revival post Perestroika.

I guess you're hoping that people will think/say; "where there is smoke, there's fire".

It is you Mr. Webmaster that is smoking something stronger then cigarettes and your mind is definately burnt to a crisp!

Wake up, do Teshuva and get back to the plan.

It's never too late and you can start over. a disgruntled worker can get back in to things if he tries....

Most of your unfounded accusations remain "unfounded"! Never do you follow up to the bitter end with concrete evidence. The occassional times that you do produce some sort of evidence it is unfortunate that you must do it all in the name of hurt, hate and mistrust.

Refuah Shaleimah!

MN

[Ger]

I take it this one didnt collect enough donations to pay her an actual visit.

[Yosef]

Shmarya, do you card to confirm or deny that you comment consisttently on family members (rubashkin and krohn come easily to mind)? Jeff appears to suffering from willful deafness.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya, do you card to confirm or deny that you comment consisttently on family members (rubashkin and krohn come easily to mind)? Jeff appears to suffering from willful deafness.

Posted by: Yosef | July 16, 2012 at 03:28 PM

Other than family members who could be or were indicted, like Aaron, no, I don't comment on them at all.

In fact, I rarely comment on family members who make statements in support of SMR.

But why let fact get in the way of your persistent delusions.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Shmarya, are you SURE Lazar didn't return your call? Check your voicemail - maybe a message with no one talking, just heavy breathing on the other end?

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

When Lazar was on the phone with the prostitute, with which hand did he hold the phone?

[dh]

The other one.

[betz]

Wow, Shmarya, you've sunk to a new low with this one. What evidence do you have other than a guy talking on the recording sounds like the rabbi?

You ever hear of impersonators? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAMIlPudalQ

[Shmarya]

I see you're still too challenged to actually read.

Have someone more alert than you read my post to you.

Idiot.

[Yosef]

"Other than family members who could be or were indicted, like Aaron, no, I don't comment on them at all."

In other words, reams could be filled with the stuff you report about family members who "could be indicted" for anything, related or unrelated to the story at hand.

Thanks for the brutal honesty.

[Jeff]

In other words, reams could be filled with the stuff you report about family members who "could be indicted" for anything, related or unrelated to the story at hand.

In the first place, that isn't how Shmarya operates, but leaving that aside - this has NOTHING to do with your concept of "yichus".

The fact that you can't tell the difference speaks volumes about the quality of a yeshiva education and the depth of your indoctrination.

[Shmarya]

"Other than family members who could be or were indicted, like Aaron, no, I don't comment on them at all."

In other words, reams could be filled with the stuff you report about family members who "could be indicted" for anything, related or unrelated to the story at hand.

Thanks for the brutal honesty.

Posted by: Yosef | July 17, 2012 at 07:15 AM

Please.

What a disgusting piece of crap you are.

Sholom has 11 of kids and grandkids. I've written about four:

1. Getzel, because he used to comment here and because he acted as a family spokesperson.

2. Roza, because she very publicly led fundraising efforts for Sholom and made speeches and in which she claimed to be telling the factual truth about what happened in Postville, but was not. Her husband was arrested for child molestation and she defended him, so that was reported, as well.

3. Meir Simcha, a handful of times, because he was leading the fundraising / PR effort for his father.

4. Moshe, because his autism and Sholom's special bond with him were raised at trial by Sholom's attorneys and by the Rubashkin family to the press.

That's it.

His wife Leah is mentioned because she is a public figure advocating for her husband and often lying for him. Even so, you won't find very much written about her by me, but you will find a number of videos and articles made by others and posted on Chabad or other pro-Rubashkin websites re-posted here.

Aaron was indicted, his company was indicted and he's still involved in attempts to hide assets from creditors, so he obviously is mentioned.

Sholom's brother Heshy is mentioned because he worked in plant, and his famous arguments with Sholom were part of Sholom's defense at trial. Heshy is a nasty person, the most unlike the Rubashkin stereotype of the kind robber you could ever find. The most common thing I was told by plant insiders and sources in the kosher food industry about him was the expressed hope that the feds would get him, too.

Yossi, another brother, had a role in Agriprocessors and has his 'own' kosher meat business that basically arose after the raid. He was involved in (and remains involved) in family efforts to stay in the business, despite the federal government's forfeiture agreement.

Moshe is a twice-convicted federal felon.

Moshe's son Sholom is also a federal felon, he played a key role in the second fraud Moshe was convicted of.

Sholom also has a sister Gittle who ran Agriprocessors Florida-based distributorship and was known for going to store owners and telling them that if they didn't buy Agriprocessors chick, she would not sell them Agriprocessors red meat – and illegal trade tactic meant to force Empire out of the Florida market. It almost worked.

I also wrote, nicely by the way, about his mother's restaurant-soup kitchen.

Sholom also has a huge number of nieces and nephews and great-nieces and nephews. I mentioned 1 – Sholom, "Jr."

Every family member I mentioned is a criminal, engaged in practices that they could have been indicted for, or acted as public spokespeople for the family and used that position to not only deny Sholom's crimes, but to, for want of a better term, lie about the facts to raise more money.

So you see, Yosef, what you wrote about my coverage of the Rubashkin family is a demonstrable lie.

And you're not man enough or honest enough to admit that.

[Yosef]

"In the first place, that isn't how Shmarya operates,"

a.k.a. "willful blindness"

"but leaving that aside - this has NOTHING to do with your concept of "yichus"."

I didn't bring "yichus" into this discussion; you did, for some strange reason.

"The fact that you can't tell the difference"

(...between when Shmarya uses this attack against Haredim and when Haredim use it against Shmarya...)

"speaks volumes about the quality of a yeshiva education and the depth of your indoctrination.
07/17/2012 07:59
Jeff"

Exactly. Were it not for my Yeshiva education, I would be as willfully blind as you, who has been so successfully indoctrinated as to deny repeated, black-and-white posts staring at you in the face.